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In today's New York Times some moron by the name of John D. Morris, who calls himself a "retail analyst ... who [leads] 'shop-alongs,'” announced that the reason stores are hawking Live Strong bracelets and Teddy Bears for charity is because "This is a born-again Christmas" with "echoes of the Heartland."

Where do I even begin?

First of all, I'm willing to bet that average giving for born-again Christians is a fraction of what it is for us selfish and evil liberals. I'm willing to bet that the only thing the vast majority of born-again Christians give to is their local televangelist to help him buy his-and-her matching jets. I don't know for sure, but if someone tracked charitable donations, I'm willing to bet that the blue states would leave the red in the dust. After all, us liberals are the ones voting against our interests. Us liberals are the ones all tied up in knots about things like the family farm. Us liberals are the ones who tax ourselves to death to support the crackers riding around in their pickups in Arkansas.

But I'm sure they buy more Live Strong bracelets then we do. Maybe that's because on average we give more than a dollar to charity. And maybe it's because we don't need to make a fashion statement advertising our generosity. You know who wears those bracelets in my house? My kids. And you know why? Because other kids do.

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Blogger Psycho Kitty said...

Ohhh, that site is scaring me. You'd think I'd be past feeling surprised at such things...
I started following the Feingold diet to see whether cutting out artificial dyes would make a difference to my son (it did); doing something like that can open your eyes a bit, as can the information at the site you reference. It sort of radiates outward...
And yes--the only people I know wearing the Live Strong bands are kids. And to link charitable giving to a particular religious sentiment or geographic area is ridiculous. Puh-lease. Where do they find these people?

December 16, 2004 at 10:18 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I understand that you are upset, but unfortunately, it looks like you would lose your bet regarding red and blue states and charitable donations. People don't like liberals (and I am a liberal) because we can come off as smug, know-it-alls who may have the money but don't really care about working class folk even though we say we do. I wish I knew a way to counter that stereotype. I know that you work for charitable causes so the stereotype I described above does not seem to fit you, but your sweeping statements about how liberals give more and are better seemed too simple. I found a Generosity Index here:

http://www.catalogueforphilanthropy.org/cfp/db/generosity.php?year=2004.

These numbers don't seem to reflect well on blue states (although I really don't like dividing the country up like that since the race was close in many states). I was led to it by some articles that pointed out that New England states, which as a block voted for Kerry, make more money than the rest of the country but give the least. In addition, it looks like more states which voted for Bush donate more to charity overall than the states that voted for Kerry. Granted, the news sources here may not be objective (what media organization is nowadays?) but I thought I would point these out:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41409
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1276796/posts

Maybe we could argue that liberals are willing to give more tax dollars and think that the government should take a greater role in social welfare (I thought that was Democratic philosophy), but I don't think that you can say that liberals as individuals care more than conservatives. There are conservatives who make my skin crawl, but really, there are good and bad people on both sides and both sides have made sweeping generalizations and oversimplifications.

December 16, 2004 at 11:20 AM  
Blogger stephanie said...

Anonymous- "Using published data of individual tax returns from the Internal Revenue Service, we compare the rank of each state's average adjusted gross income (AAGI) to the rank of each state's average itemized charitable deductions (AICD). The arithmetical differences between these two rankings are then themselves ranked, resulting in the Generosity Index rank."

So, according to this, I don't give anything- because I don't give over 4k a year and can't claim it as an itemized deduction. According to the generosity index, I would count as a non giver- even though in the past year I participated in an AIDS walk (raised $400), a March of Dimes walk (raised $500) and a heart Association walk (raised $40). I also gave away 5 bags of clothes to a local soup kitchen/shelter and sponsored friends/co workers in mulitple sclerosis and breast cancer walks. Now I'm not trying to toot my own horn here...just pointing out that going on tax returns doesn't give you the whole story.

December 16, 2004 at 11:52 AM  
Blogger stephanie said...

Now on my personal level...I know some conservatives who give, but in general my liberal friends donate more based on my charitable collecting. Theya also are lkess concerned if they can get the receipt to claim the deduction. My father (conservative) won't give unless he needs a tax deduction- and then prefers the arts to humanitarian causes. Also don't foget- many churches demand you tithe 10% of your income (not sure about other religious organizations) to be a member- which is then tax deductible as a charitable contribution. That money goes to support, as Ayelet pointed out, the minister, and not to help the needy.

December 16, 2004 at 12:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Stephanie - Thanks for pointing out the issue with the itemized deductions. I still think that the study does mean something, I guess that conservatives donate more in terms of what can be accounted for in tax returns, but I suppose there has to be a way to try to measure donations - how much relative and not relative to income, how much to arts or other causes, etc., - without just relying on personal perception. Perhaps I am putting too much blind faith in numbers but there must be some objective way to measure charitable giving. I would prefer that liberals turn out to give more, but I guess I didn't like the generalization made in the entry. On the other hand, this is a blog not a research group, etc., so I probably should just let it go and figure this out on my own time and in my own space.

I don't think that there is anything wrong with giving money through a church group or that it lessens the contribution because it was given at church. Many religions require that money be given to help the needy. Church groups do provide services for the poor and for the homeless. At least at the churches that I've been to, some of the money is given to the church and some of the money is given to a charitable organization that the church has picked. I don't know much about evangelical groups, but if the money is given just to support the church and the church doesn't do anything with the money except to line its own pockets, then yes, I don't think that should be counted as a charitable donation - at least, not one that would benefit the needy.

December 16, 2004 at 12:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hmmm - I read this post and comments and the only objective data anyone offered is refuted w/ anecdotal stories to minimize it. Nevermind the religious pejoratives - poor people are more generous with their money than rich peopple b/c they understand hardship. Rationalize your beliefs first - see what you want to believe second. Besides - those queer-hating churches just line their own pockets and those preachers sit at home and never visit sick people in hospitals or counsel troubled marriages for free or anything. (Deep breath) If the left wants to make enemies of the poor, the religious, and the South, please remember you all started it on Nov 3rd, 2004. Get a grip.

December 16, 2004 at 12:47 PM  
Blogger stephanie said...

Ayelet- my apologies for hogging your comments section with my comments. Last one here, I promise!
Anonymous 1- there are ways, but the data collected on the website you cited does not dig deeper into what those tax deductable charities are- that would take further reseach. I have a healthy respect for data- it doesn't lie, but you do have to be careful how you interpret it:-)
Anonymous 2-I'm not against relgious giving, nor am I trying to dismiss religious leaders, whom I respect in most cases. They are certainly giving souls. But as for calling on the sick, counseling couples and the like- speaking for my minister, which is all I can do, it was part of what he was paid a salary to do. Now I will give you that the paltry 40k/year our minister made did not compare with the 100/an hour that I've paid a shrink- but neither was it unpaid work.

December 16, 2004 at 1:46 PM  
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December 16, 2004 at 3:26 PM  
Blogger Ayelet Waldman said...

Thrilled to have started some comment debate. OK, first of all, generosity indexes do not distinguish between religious giving and other. Quite frankly, I think there is an absolute and tremendous difference between the two. It is a rare religious organization that gives to charity beyond what it keeps for itself, and evangelical Christian organizations have been almost unique in our contemporary society in their creation of a body of religious "leaders" who have used their churches as a way to raise money for themselves. Furthermore, even when these organizations do "help the poor," that "help" is more likely to be in the form of or dependent on prostelization.

Organizationt that are devoted just to assisting others, not trying to convert them, are overwhelming supported by and staffed by people who you would consider liberal.

Oh, and one more thing. Nothing was "started" on November 3. It took that slap in the face for many liberals to decide that they'd had enough with being called French faggot-loving unAmericans. It took that slap in the face for us to say, you know what? I'm just as American, no MORE American than them, because I love what this nation stands for, and they hate it.

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Everyone gives. Most every family has someone close to it that has an affliction of some type. They give til their character hurts. Institutions of any gender are cheaper in their giving than a family. It's tougher to give to things one is unfamiliar with. I think individual giving is more relevant than corporate giving.

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